Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Sagebrush awakens to ASUN's problems
Hallelujah! Although, just a few demonstrably false facts. Some comments too, where appropriate.
[F]ormer university student Corinna Cohn ... filed [complaints] to the student judicial council that the senate violated Nevada Open Meeting Law in several instances, in part by not posting meeting minutes online and not keeping complete and accurate minutes in 2008 and 2009." (Emphasis added)In the complaint for Case No. AN-005, Cohn actually complained that the Senate did not produce written minutes of several of its meetings, as the Open Meeting Law (OML) requires. It was the Judicial Council order that got its reasoning wrong. It wasn't because the minutes weren't online; it's because ASUN could not prove they were ever produced by handing them over.
Although passed properly by both the senate and president in 2008 and 2009 the bills did not go through legal channels for certification after their passing as the senate rules require.Not entirely true. There are other bases for invalidation, including countless OML problems, but the Judical Council arguably exceeded its authority by not declaring the actions void on the grounds of the OML problems that Cohn complained of, despite the Council making specific findings to the contrary and despite the defending parties' lack of denying anything in her complaints.
If you do what I argue is the prudent thing, which is to apply the Council's holdings to all items specifically complained against, you get a much different list of what is invalid and why. Remember, the ASUN never disputed Cohn's complaints. I argue that just because the Judicial Council hasn't said an act is void doesn't mean that the facts can independently demonstrate to the Senate and President that there are errors that need to be cured.
Eli Reilly, who served as the student body president during this time ... said he didn’t know bills weren’t being enrolled properly because “I sign it or I don’t. It’s not my job to make sure that clerical things are being followed through.”Although Eli is, I suppose, technically correct that he has no independent duty to ensure the Senate follows procedural rules it must abide by, one complaint specifically alleged that Eli did not perform specific statutory duties required of him, like create an adequate record of when bills were presented to him and when he signed them into law.
Many Associated Students of the University of Nevada leaders say the procedural mistakes come from lack of instruction between sessions.So do the advisors have a duty to become intimately familiar with the system the students created? Aren't they really the only substantial common thread from session to session?
“There just wasn’t any training[," Geremia said.]" Since then, the senate has enacted a training session during the transition period.And a lot of good that training did for the 77th Session, which engaged in much of the same despicable conduct. The next graf in the story is my personal favorite.
Just one year before the errors, the senate of that time re-wrote the entire ASUN Constitution, transforming the roughly 10-page document to nearly 200 pages.This single statement could not be more demonstrably false. The present ASUN constitution. The previous ASUN constitution. Notice how the current constitution is about half the size the old one. Where did this 200-page number come from? From all the laws enacted in pursuance of the present constitution. Big difference.
“It’s part of the issue of the complexity of the laws they’ve created for themselves,” ASUN advisor Sandy Rodriguez said. “It was inevitable based on what the 75th session wrote and its complexity.”Very noticable what isn't said here (it's not my job to teach the senators what their job requires). Also, notice the tone. Blame the guys who really created the mess, the ones who made everything so damn complicated. Nice deflection. So how do you explain the people who created the system didn't find it so complicated?
The seven meetings declared null ... failed to comply with the constitution’s open-meeting laws.The ASUN Constitution does not contain open meeting laws. The state legislature has required the Board of Regents to require student government to comply with the state's open meeting law, but also requires the Board of Regents to enforce it. NRS 241.038. The Regents have essentially said, student governments, you must comply with every letter of the OML. So how did the ASUN Judicial Council get to this? It found that since ASUN enacted this law, it gave the Council a way to apply the OML under ASUN law.
The judicial council ruled to void the meetings after all parties agreed Nevada Open Meeting Law was violated when the minutes detailing the meetings were deemed missing.Well, Fryman, you got that fact correct here, so why didn't you get it right in your story's first graf?
Some claim that advisors failed to step in when the body was violating state open meeting laws. Rodriguez, however, sent 2008-09 Speaker Priscilla Acosta a five-page document detailing the issue of missing and incomplete minutes three months before Cohn filed any grievances.This is perhaps the most interesting issue that has come to light in all of this: whether the ASUN's business manager has a duty under Regents policy to stop spending when spending was not lawfully approved under the student government's constitution.
On the whole, this story is exactly what the student body needs to see. Hopefully, it starts discussions about whether the advisors have a duty to ensure ASUN plays by its own rules and whether the advisors really understand the shift to a more formal system of student governance the students demanded with the present constitution's adoption.
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Corinna Cohn grow up. You graduated! GET A LIFE! Stop trying to make things difficult for people still at the University! NO ONE LIKES YOU and it's doubtful they ever did.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to try and make this my last comment on any of these blogs that seek to criticize ASUN or the University, in general, as there's more to life than college. I just want to point out that if you're ultimate goal was to prove that the advisors are not doing their job and ensuring that ASUN is responsible and accountable for their actions, which I've sensed is your goal, then I couldn't agree more.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it's the way that you go about proving your point that bothers me. Instead of working with people who share your common view of advisement, etc, you're working against the very people who support your ultimate view. So, people like me, who obviously don't have the same mind frame as far as HOW objectives are achieved or the way we should be going about our actions are turned off from working with you. You're hurting the very people who have that same care and concern for the association that you do. I honestly think you have good intentions and you want to see ASUN succeed, like myself, like Eli, like other involved students who pour hours and years of their college life into the Association. We all have different views on HOW that success is achieved, but we all share that common interest and dedication to the University.
The difference that I see between attacking involved students and the director is people like me come and go. We serve our terms and then leave. And believe it or not, the 77th session learned a hell of a lot and definitely improved from the mistakes of the 76th session (whether you're willing to admit or not). The director, on the other hand, has been serving the Association for over a decade. Should these issues exist? Should the director have some responsibility for ensuring that ASUN is not getting into serious legal trouble---shouldn't that be a good time to step in?
So, you can continue this blog and continue to criticize the 78th session of Senate and future sessions, almost to the point of harassment. But, again, you are not solving the larger issue. You're just turning people off from working with you. If you sat down and discussed these issues with people (before you create blogs ranting about their characters and mistakes), they may actually listen. And if you do, in fact, meet with individuals, and they don't agree with your APPROACH, it certainly does not mean that they do not agree with your ideas and/or goals.
This goes for SFL, too. I couldn't agree more that ASUN has a lot of frivolous and bad spending practices, but if you're criticizing and attacking the characters of people who have the power to influence and change the association, change will not be made. There needs to be a balance in diplomacy that will never be achieved by this method.